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An Objection answer'd

But if it is all fate, why praise anyone? Manilius answers back.

Manilius, about 15 AD, in Thomas Creech's English verse of 1697. A one-breath read · page 9 · free, every word

[p. 9] To this there's one Objection; Fate deniesRewards to Vertue, and must plead for Vice:Absurd; for who less hates a Poysonous WeedBecause 'tis bred from Necessary Seed?Or who loves Corn the less; who hates the VineBecause by Nature rais'd, and not Design?Thus Virtuous Minds deserve the greater Love,Since Heaven consents, and all the Stars approve;And we should hate those more whom Fates have sentTo commit Crimes and suffer Punishment;For how, or whence these noxious faults beginNo matter, since each is certainly a Sin.Nay this Opinion's settled by Debate,'Tis Fate that we should thus dispute of Fate.

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The text is Thomas Creech's 1697 verse translation, checked word by word between three scans of the same type (the 1697 printing, the 1700 printing and a third copy). The long s is printed as s; every other spelling is Creech's. Pages are cited as the 1697 printing numbers them. The portrait is William Marshall’s engraving of Lilly from the front of the 1659 printing (Wellcome Library, public domain).

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